Majadiliano ya mtumiaji:Rich Farmbrough

sw-wikipedia?

Hi Rich, I see that you imported hundreds of English language templates into sw-wikipedia. I am sure that you did this with a good intention! Did you discuss this with any of the admins (not that I am aware of). What is your idea in flooding the Swahili wikipedia with material in a foreign language? Kindly comment! sw:user:kipala

(moved back from en:)

Ok I see we pay a price for sins of the past. We have a lot of articles which were created by newcomers thru translation. Quite a number were just dump of english entries into the google machine. Being newscomers they did not understand the idea of templates - thus we got this long list of requested templates which is caused by all those probably inadvertently imported english templates. I am not a friend of getting more English language content but my friend Muddy likes it - yeah maybe its better to have the English template than just the red line. OK, thanks - we see to it! Kipala (majadiliano) 19:49, 16 Septemba 2011 (UTC)

Kigezo:Infobox Settlement

Rich, kindly have a look why this template works nicely with Nairobi but is a mess with Nouadhibou. Kipala (majadiliano) 05:45, 28 Septemba 2011 (UTC)

We need Kigezo:Location map Mauritania - I'll fetch the next batch. Rich Farmbrough

I do not think we need that. We are too small to work with different city templates for each country. Does not look sustainable to me. One working template for settlements of any kind is enough. Please do not go to importing blindly anything that has been dumped into any of our entries. Lets have some reasoning about what we need. Kipala (majadiliano) 15:05, 28 Septemba 2011 (UTC)

I am all for reasoning. What is your concern here? The risk of vandalism when we have, say 240, location map templates? Essentially these type of templates perform a database function and are designed to reduce workload. There are suggestions of better ways to do things, including a separate data wiki, or an interwiki resource for templates like commons. These need commitment from the WMF to happen, so they are currently pipe-dreams. I am interested in (among other things) a simple to use Wiki in any language, and believe that templates are one way of doing this. They can also share effort across many languages. This approach is used on the Nepali Wikipedia, for example. Rich Farmbrough

I am all for reducing workload. How does this happen with 240 location templates instead of one? As far as I see it 240 location templates have to be translated 240x, have to be remembered they they exist (otherwise you get some places with template a, others with template b or c) and have to be maintained. We do not see the long term capacity for this. What is wrong with one location teplate for a small wiki like this? Kipala (majadiliano) 05:37, 29 Septemba 2011 (UTC)

The way location maps work , for example, is relatively language independent. They are called from {{Infobox settlement}} - this is not like {{Infobox Indian jurisdiction}} which is a replacement for {{Infobox settlement}} just for India, which I also oppose, even on en:. They are more part of {{Infobox settlement}} which become more useful as time goes by. We currently have only the two we need so far, and they are un-likely to change. We will only bring more over as we need them, partly because that's easier and partly because I hope that there will be a better system in a year or two.

Rich Farmbrough

Rich, sorry I didi not get all your points. Let me ask once more. A) What is the problem with just one location template? B) How do you conclude "we need this or that template" ? Kipala (majadiliano) 21:17, 3 Oktoba 2011 (UTC)

A) The location templates are invisible magic - they tell {{Infobox settlement}} the name of the map to use, and where the corners are so that the "pin" can be put in the right place. Obviously you cannot use the map of Kenya for Mauritania.

B) Templates that are being used and don't exist (on sw:) are listed at Maalum:Wanted templates.

Rich Farmbrough , 12:10, 5 Oktoba 2011 (UTC).

TZ's political stubs

Hi there. The mbegu that you've created - it's awesome! However, there is a tiny problem with majimbo's area. For instance, in each and every article you've added a bracket "Arusha" while most of them are not from Arusha. Let's talk about jimbo la Ubungo, Ubungo is located in Dar es Salaam and not Arusha! Furthermore: there is no need to mention the region - just write only the constituency only and it would be better. You have a big job review what you've created. I think you can use an AWB for that! Word up!!!!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 11:16, 12 Novemba 2011 (UTC)

Oookayyy, you did an outstanding job, buddy! It's totally awesome! Keep it up!!! And remember, do not hesitate to ask me anything, pal - be more than willing to help you out! Cheers!!!!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 07:01, 13 Novemba 2011 (UTC)

Botswana's concept

Hello there! Happy new year and welcome back! Well, just stopped by to ask about the general idea of the Botswana's articles. If you understood the idea, please feel free to carry on!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 05:34, 14 Januari 2013 (UTC)

What we have is some basic data. We could create stubs of the from this, but I will need help translating the first one of each type. BY the way I created the English page for Vincent Kigosi. Rich Farmbrough , 10:28, 14 Januari 2013 (UTC).

Name the line please! I will have it translated!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 16:52, 14 Januari 2013 (UTC)

Done! Caused also to go through the major preparatory for the coming articles. Please check the consolidated article for the creation of the new articles. If you happen to have anything else to say, please spit it out and will work it out right away! Pamoja sana, Muddyb, au,--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 05:06, 31 Januari 2013 (UTC)

Hoola! I've just tried to make things clear, but I'm not quite sure if this is what you needed! Please check it out and let me know... PS: Some words you've just wrote them in Swahili so I did not get the general idea what was about! Please try to elaborate in English - I might have an answer for that! Cheers!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 15:44, 31 Januari 2013 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Common.css's case

Hi. I have the seen the difference between the English Wikipedia's template and the Swahili one. What do you think has to be done in order to resolve the problem? It looks pretty weird! Please help this!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 07:16, 4 Februari 2013 (UTC)

The hlist class needs to be added. But hlist is also used by the navbox class and the infobox class. So simplest is to copy the entire thing. This may bring other benefits. I see you have made a css sheet for yourself, which is a good idea. Rich Farmbrough , 09:10, 5 Februari 2013 (UTC).

Imefanyika. Did you find any difference? Cause I didn't!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 11:45, 5 Februari 2013 (UTC)

Pefect! What a team!!!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 14:13, 5 Februari 2013 (UTC)

Stub on Botswana

Hi. I think you did an outstanding job! But what about "InterWiki Link"? Traced most of the articles are not connected to the English Wikipedia. Please check it again!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 17:15, 11 Februari 2013 (UTC)

yes, I still have to add these links. :) Rich Farmbrough , 21:50, 11 Februari 2013 (UTC).

Kigezo:Start date and age

Salaam, Richie! I need your help on above mentioned kigezo. It behaves different when you take a look here. If you see, it says: "2007; iliyopita 6 miaka" instead of "2007; miaka 6 iliyopita". The second one is the right one. Pity I don't know how to solve the mystry. I hope you can have the situation cleared out sometime soon. I've just viewd the kigezo's history and find that you were the one who imported it from the English Wikipedia. So you might have some ideas on how to make it work properly in Swahili term. That's it. Best,--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 06:38, 28 Juni 2013 (UTC)

Imefanyika. One change in the obvious place, and one in Kigezo:Plural. I hope that it always right that the number follows the noun? Also I have juma for "week" not wiki which is curious. Rich Farmbrough , 00:08, 30 Juni 2013 (UTC).

Ah I see juma and wiki are the same. Rich Farmbrough , 00:18, 30 Juni 2013 (UTC).

Thanks.. Yep, Wiki na Juma are the same. But use "wiki" - we don't have to complicate things in any way. Thanks again!--_{Mwanaharakati}^Longa 12:47, 8 Julai 2013 (UTC)

Wilaya mpya - new TZ districts

Kindly have a look here. Wilaya za Tanzania 2 is a tmporary file which lists all wilaya. Hope it helps! Kipala (majadiliano) 18:01, 19 Novemba 2013 (UTC)

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Ndimi wako Kipala (majadiliano) 20:26, 13 Mei 2014 (UTC)

Dodoma

Dear Rich Hi!

Just wanted to inform you that at "Dodoma", the picture (Picha:Dodoma Cathedral.JPG|left|thumb|250px|Kanisa Kuu la Anglikana, Dodoma Mjini) you've inserted, does not appear. FYI, I would have done it myself, however, I'm not very keen with the photo downloading procedure, so, I don't want to mess-up things.

Furthermore, does anybody of you (in the Kiswahili wiki) intend to write (in the English wiki) something about "Kimamba"?

With kindest regards --Aristo Class (majadiliano) 09:37, 26 Julai 2015 (UTC) (from the el.wiki)

The new file is visible on Dodoma (mji). As for Kimamba do you mean Kimamba A or Kimamba B? Rich Farmbrough , 01:23, 29 Julai 2015 (UTC).

I think that it must be Kimamba A. With kindest regards. --Aristo Class (majadiliano) 19:30, 5 Agosti 2015 (UTC)

Imefanyika.

Infobox settlement

Hi Rich, in the past you have edited the kigezo:infobox settlement. I try to put infos in but it only shows very limited items. For example i try to add post_code = but it just does not show. Can you help? Kipala (majadiliano) 19:36, 27 Oktoba 2015 (UTC)

I changed the template to make it easier to use. Do we have an article on Post code - and what is the preferred kiswahili expression?

Rich Farmbrough , 20:19, 27 Oktoba 2015 (UTC).

Msimbo wa posta is there - so just something like msimbo_posta =. Would be great, Cheers Kipala (majadiliano) 22:11, 27 Oktoba 2015 (UTC)

Now supports

msimbo posta =

msimbo_posta =

postal_code =

post_code =

if all is working as it should.

Rich Farmbrough , 13:12, 28 Oktoba 2015 (UTC).

Wonderful! Works great, thanks! Kipala (majadiliano) 18:47, 28 Oktoba 2015 (UTC)

Flagicons on swwiki

Hi Rich, in past years you did a number of flag templates for swwiki. I have added a few for the world cup. Now I do not find the settings. The Icons show an English country name that is linked to the swwiki article. Like template ENG|England shows Flag plus "England" and the link leads to Uingereza. Any way to show the Swahili names? Kipala (majadiliano) 11:04, 12 Julai 2018 (UTC)

 Uingereza

Invitation to Rejoin the Healthcare Translation Task Force

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Kigezo:Infobox cricketer

Hello Rich Farmbrough, you once created this template which I want to use on the Swahili Wikipedia, but we need to translate it first. Do you know where to get Swahili terms for cricket online? All the best for you! SpesBona (majadiliano) 20:30, 14 Novemba 2024 (UTC)

Hi SpesBona, I've not got a decent Swahili dictionary, only a medical one. You can certainly try those that are online, starting with Wiktionary. en.wiktionary.org has translations for many terms into many languages, though of course Swahili is not one of the most translated, it does reasonably well. You can also find some online, generally split between old enough to be out of copyright, or modern but not necessarily great database-websites. Community portal might also help. Don't forget that you can use the infobox first and translate it later.

The important thing is to translate the displayed words (I suggest you leave the original in comments <!-- --> to help people migrating fixes or upgrades later). Also you can make the paramters work for both languages, meaning that you can move an English example and have everything display correctly in Swahili like this: {{{Cricket|{{{Kriketi}}} }}}. Rich Farmbrough , 22:01, 8 Desemba 2024 (UTC).

We Swahili-speakers are very contrary to this importation of templates from the English edition. Thay create a lot of problem. Let you see the list of jamii zinazotakiwa in Kurasa maalumu, for example. Peace to you! --Riccardo Riccioni (majadiliano) 08:02, 9 Desemba 2024 (UTC)

Dear @Riccardo Riccioni:, I have made a few attempts to translate this template into Swahili. I asked @Justine Msechu: , @Muddyb: , Rich Farmbrough (here), and also asked here. I also made my own attempt to translate this template in my sandbox. I do templates on the Afrikaans-Wikipedia in pure Afrikaans like af:Sjabloon:Inligtingskas Krieketwêreldbeker and I just want to do the same here on Swahili-Wikipedia, so that I can use the template later on. Peace to you! SpesBona (majadiliano) 22:00, 19 Desemba 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, bruh! Was swamped with a job. There is anything I could do to help? My hands are not tied now. _Muddyb^Longa 07:33, 7 Januari 2025 (UTC)

Greetings, in an ideal world everything would be in Kiswahili, you are quite correct. And this can be done with templates in a number of ways. However there is a certain amount of work involved whatever approach one takes. In my humble opinion writing a new templating system would be the hardest work, I have probably spent many hundreds of hours working on templates, and there are a significant number of people on English Wikipedia who have done far more than I. Having no (or almost no) templates would be an option. But they are intensely useful for a number of reasons.

So what I suggest (and more or less what we have done in the past) is that the "surface" templates (used in articles) are imported. They can then be moved, leaving a redirect behind, to the Kiswahili name. This now means that in the articles we can use the Kiswahili name, but if someone copies an article in order to translate it, it doesn't immediately break. We can then use a bot to move any template with an English (or indeed French - there is at least one) to its Kiswahili name. We then need to translate any strings, and provide dual interpretation for parameter names. Again once we have done this work we can update the text of the template calls in articles if we wish, but they will already display fully in Kiswahili. The deeper templates can mostly be left alone, or edited pretty simply.

Let's consider the example {{Infobox example}}

{{Infobox example|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

I'll "subst" the above so that it doesn't change from this version of the template.

Maurice Odumbe

Full name	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Country	Kenya

Now I move {{Infobox example}} to {{Infobox mfano}} - both templates still work (this version):

{{Infobox example|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Full name	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Country	Kenya

{{Infobox mfano|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Full name	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Country	Kenya

Now I translate the fixed strings (this version):

{{Infobox example|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Jina kamili	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Nchi	Kenya

{{Infobox mfano|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Jina kamili	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Nchi	Kenya

Now I update {{Infobox mfano}} to support {{{jina}}} {{{jina kamili}}} and {{{nchi}}} (this version):

Old stuff still works

{{Infobox example|name = Maurice Odumbe|country = Kenya|fullname = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Jina kamili	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Nchi	Kenya

But the Kiswahili does too.

{{Infobox mfano|jina = Maurice Odumbe|nchi = Kenya|jina kamili = Maurice Omondi Odumbe}}

Maurice Odumbe

Jina kamili	Maurice Omondi Odumbe
Nchi	Kenya

You can now use the template from scratch in a new article in pure Kiswahili. But if someone wants to import something, the infobox will be fine, and they can change the infobox in the article one bit at a time. Obviously you still have to translate values that are not the same in Kiswahili - for example:

{{Infobox example |name = W. G. Grace|country = England|fullname = William Gilbert Grace}}

W. G. Grace

Jina kamili	William Gilbert Grace
Nchi	England

{{Infobox mfano |jina = W. G. Grace|nchi = Uingereza|jina kamili = William Gilbert Grace}}

W. G. Grace

Jina kamili	William Gilbert Grace
Nchi	Uingereza

I've also taken the opportunity to use two words instead of running them together "jina kamili" is more readable, and works as well as "jinakamili"

Hope that helps.

Rich Farmbrough , 23:52, 6 Januari 2025 (UTC).

Hello Rich Farmbrough, looks like the infobox header works. Now we need someone willing to help translating Kigezo:Infobox cricketer into Swahili. I made my proposal here. Can anyone correct my attempts or tell us which words are correct? @Justine Msechu: or @Muddyb:, perhaps? I am still willing to help the Swahili Wikipedia! A peaceful 2025 to all of you! SpesBona (majadiliano) 21:30, 12 Januari 2025 (UTC)

Hi, SpesBona. Can you take a look at the current English version? It has been simplified a lot since I copied it here in 2011. I think this might be a better place to start. Particularly the stats would be very difficult to keep up to date for current cricketers without a significant amount of effort. Rich Farmbrough , 10:54, 13 Januari 2025 (UTC).

Email

Howdy?

I have emailed you. Please check and reply via the same means. _Muddyb^Longa 16:49, 5 Machi 2025 (UTC)