Majadiliano ya kigezo:Jedwali la nchi

Dispute

@Kisare and @Gayle157 I think the solution can be Jedwali la nchi for africa while Infobox taifa for europe, Anyrmson (majadiliano) 07:09, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

It just makes things confusing. I don't understand the purpose. The original plan that was discussed with the wakabidhi was to slowly phase out Kigezo:Infobox country and replace it Kigezo:Jedwali la nchi. Jedwali la nchi was meant to be the replacement since Infobox country had a lot of major issues, not just small ones.

If there are minor issues with Jedwali la nchi, for example padding, or alignment issues that I'm not aware of, that can so easily be edited and fixed. It makes no sense to create a whole new template just because the previous one has some minor issues with padding or alignment.

And Kigezo:Infobox taifa is more broken than Jedwali la nchi. I can show examples if you want. So I just don't get the point of this. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. We should be collaborating, not starting from square one. If there are issues with Jedwali la nchi, please give examples and we can figure out how to fix it together. Kisare (majadiliano) 07:19, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean by broken

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(Mtumiaji) 07:23, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Kwa mfano Marekani(kabla ya marekebisho yangu) na Miji-dola ya Waswahili Kisare (majadiliano) 07:48, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Kisare I think you are right, @Gayle157 suggest the fixes you want if you can't fix .

But @Kisare dont revert the countries using this infobox taifa yet, untill you are all done Anyrmson (majadiliano) 07:34, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. Let's leave all the articles as they are right now. We can then focus on getting Jedwali la nchi all up to date and once its finished we can start replacing any remaining articles with it.

I will try to write Jedwali la nchi such that the variable names are compatible with the other templates. Kisare (majadiliano) 07:45, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

That will hopefully make it easier once the time comes to replace Kisare (majadiliano) 07:48, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Also like i said we used different format (not design) to create the Infobox , So i have to learn your way first

@Kisare i forgot one mistake , The Infobox design in metrics like pato la taifa isn't formal like {{{pato_kwa_mtu}}} i think you should use add formal words like {{{plt_kwa_kila_mtu}}} like this plt_kwa_kila_mtu to avoid unnecessary conflict in existing articles

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(Mtumiaji) 08:05, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Okay, here are fix suggestions then we will see.

B4 i start I dont think the Padding left of English Wikipedia is working well here , I think its because the content on left here isn't in bold, If the issue isnt bold then;

• jina rasmi and Jina la Asili should be in same Column
• Replace Kauli mbiu ya taifa with Kauli mbiu
• Ensure that the word Kauli mbiu is at the center then the motto itself at bottom but in same row using
  
• Do the same too for Wimbo wa taifa
• Remove the word nchini in "mji mkubwa" to just translate largest City , Not largest city in country Also for capital do the same
• Reducing padding left for Lugha rasmi maybe 25px Also for lugha za taifa
• Serikali should be on its own row, then Aina ya serikali on below the next row but with padding left of 50px

For names like President, etc they should all have the same padding left of probably 25 px

• Sovereignty type should be at the center
• Events that is tukio should be in the Same padding left to ensure its straight
• Replace Eneo with Ukubwa wa eneo , eneo is just a region
• Also for sub Sections like Water percentage , ensure they are using same Padding
• For km² it should be after the number not before, you misnested it
• Nobody uses Plt i think you should use pato la taifa (year) in full not a must you say kadirio
• Hdi isn't Maendeleo, Adjust it full to be Kiashiria cha maendeleo ya watu then link it to its article
• For hdi category like juu sana use br to locate it below the hdi value , In English Wikipedia they don't just say Very high , They say very high development so its
• Gini in swahili is Kiashiria cha maendeleo ya watu
• Then from that use the same padding left

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(Mtumiaji) 07:54, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Unaelewa Kiswahili sawasawa? Kuna lugha rasmi na lugha ya taifa. Kwa Kiswahili haya mambo mawili tofauti. Rasmi si lazima iwe ya taifa. Mfano, Kiingeeza TZ ni lugha rasmi lakini sio lugha ya taifa. Umeelewa hapo? _Muddyb^Longa 08:37, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Are you asking me, Cause yeah i know that.

Everyone knows that

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(Mtumiaji) 08:45, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

• They are already in the same column, I'm not sure what you mean
• Done
• It's how it is because sometimes (particular for countries that speak swahili, where there motto is already in swahili and so a translation is not needed) the motto can fit with "Kaulimbiu" all in one line. This is how English Wikipedia does it too. If you want instead what you're suggesting, start your kaulimbiu entry with <br>. That will force "Kaulimbiu" in the center and your entry will be centered below it. But sometimes it looks better to have it all in one line if the motto is short, which is why I leave it as optional.
• Same for wimbo wa taifa
• Ok
• Lugha rasmi has the same padding as everything else, I don't know why you think it should be different. It'll just make it mis-aligned.
• I don't know what this means
• They already have the same padding
• Other wikis, including English Wikipedia, don't do that
• They already have the same left padding
• Eneo can mean both. Kwa mfano "eneo la duara ni pi*r^2" au "Mkoa una eneo la kilometa za mraba 73,039".
• They already have the same padding
• It's not a mistake. In Swahili, you say the number after the noun. Kwa mfano "mita 5" => "m 5" instead of "5 m" kama Kiingereza. This is how it's written in official math exams in Tanzania, with km^2 first and then the number.
• The government of Tanzania uses "PLT"
• Kiashiria cha maendeleo ya watu is very long and would force the label section to take up a lot of space, which is why I shortened it to Maendeleo. If you click on it, it does link to Kiashiria cha maendeleo ya watu. If you want we can write "HDI" instead, but I preferred to keep as much as I can in Swahili.
• We can do that, sure
• That's not what Gini is. The Gini index is a measure of inequality. See: en:Gini index
• Everything uses the same left padding

Kisare (majadiliano) 08:52, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Yours isn't using the Same padding left.

Though English wiki also does nt use the same padding left but i think it should have to make it well alligned

Its typo, I meant gini is Kiashiria cha ukosefu wa usawa and can fit too

About Hdi ,it still fits see Uswisi,

About km2 , Writing km² 58 is direct translation, Its also written as 58 Km² though km2 pronounced first

In Eneo i agree,

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(Mtumiaji) 09:05, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Kisare ,Umoja wa Afrika isn't a nchi, It should another infobox

So it shouldn't display wimbo wa taifa wa nchi.

Second i used color since this wiki is new, So it doesn't have most Articles about anthem so we will remove colors when most anthem are created.

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(Mtumiaji) 09:13, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

It can use the same infobox, English Wikipedia does the same thing. All the information is mostly the same anyways Kisare (majadiliano) 09:20, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Mr Kisare, English Wikipedia doesnt use infobox country for any another, even a Nation , I tried once and they told me not to, I was trying to use infobox nation for East Africa federation and they said its primarily, For Country.

Also in en wiki it doesn't say

National Anthem of Russia its just National anthem

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(Mtumiaji) 09:24, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Yes but those infoboxes all redirect to infobox country, they all ultimately use the same template.

If you want we can create "jedwali la taifa" and "jedwali la shirika la kimataifa" but they'll redirect to jedwali la nchi. Kisare (majadiliano) 10:15, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

It all uses the exact same padding left. Look in the code, I never give any label or data a different padding. It all uses the default value. Can you show me an example of an article where the padding is wrong?

Are you perhaps on mobile? I believe when you are on mobile, it completely changes the style. However I don't think we can do much about that. I don't know how to change the appearance on mobile. Kisare (majadiliano) 09:16, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

I think you should trying viewing your Infobox using Mobile and tell,

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(Mtumiaji) 09:25, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Yes I did and it does look much different. But I don't think there is much we can do. I switched to other languages and they all have the same problem Kisare (majadiliano) 09:26, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Kisare i also think you should bold the Content on left, It doesn't captivate a reader.

Try using Mobile for preview Anyrmson (majadiliano) 09:29, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

They are bolded... Kisare (majadiliano) 09:31, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

The only content on the left not bolded are the lists, which is how other wikis do it too Kisare (majadiliano) 09:32, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Also, it isn't just a direct translation. Like I said, it's how it's written in official math textbooks and exams in Tanzanian schools. Kisare (majadiliano) 10:07, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

I seem to have fixed the alignment issue that only appears on mobile. I assume you are using mobile so thats why you were seeing that. And its why your edits made everything look messed up on desktop. But the alignment should now look the same on both desktop and mobile. Can you confirm that? Kisare (majadiliano) 10:41, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

Oh i see, I thought everything should be bolded.

It looks similar to wikipedia (English) , though it seems to lack something that would make you feel captivated.

Actually spanish, german etc have their own design different from the one in English

@Gayle157 , Is that it? Are you satisfied now?

Anyrmson (majadiliano) 09:32, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Anyrmson I cant say I am satisfied but its fine, I think the infobox is better though,

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(Mtumiaji) 10:07, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Kisare

I don't know anything about Template's but can you make it Unique or different design from that of English Wikipedia, I mean all Wikipedia have their versions Anyrmson (majadiliano) 10:30, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)

@Kisare i love how now how it looks, Its awesome!

But increase padding left of the First row that is Largest city and Capital.

Bravo!,

The Font is now awesome, And row allignment

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(Mtumiaji) 11:41, 13 Februari 2025 (UTC)